Alexis Doom, Giroud Joy & Turkeys Want Christmas Vote

Mike Pence just said, “It’s hard for to express” and surprisingly he didn’t finish it with “how f*****g gullible you lot are”, but with a platitude to his new boss. Donald Trump, eh? I bet Alan Sugar is sitting in his ivory tower plotting his route to power. “Theresa May, you’re fired!”.

As a Briton, I can only thank our cousins across the ocean for taking pity on us with the attitude, “Anything you can do, we can do dafter”.

America, dontcha just love it!!!! as Glenda Slagg would no doubt declare. She’d do the same with International breaks. The news out of the Chile camp hardly assuages fears that we can overcome a poor November record:

“The medical team of the Chilean national team can confirm Alexis Sánchez has a low-grade muscle tear. The player will stay in Santiago, under treatment and evaluation, ahead of Chile’s match against Uruguay.”

Or as you or I might interpret the statement, “We knackered him up but not quite enough so we’ll keep him here and have another proper go at it”. Things aren’t so bad (apparently) that he is on his way home yet and may play next week for his country. What this means for Arsenal is a nervous wait with no news being no news, not good news.

Karl-Heinz Rummenigge may not be the impartial judge of matters but he was on the right track when observed, “FIFA would be well advised to clean up the whole international calendar at some stage.” Before nailing the situation:

“It’s catastrophic. There’s always a permanent disruption to club football.”

At which point, you might think “you’ve got the power to do something about it so go do”. Ultimately, FIFA is always going to screw up the club season and a muscle tear suggests that he was already on the cusp of the injury. It could have happened at any time.

That doesn’t let Chile off the hook nor does it imply we’ve been overplaying him. It certainly is a cause for concern and the matter should now be taken out of Chile’s hands with Arsenal being given the power to order him back to London. There’s too much power with the national associations thanks to FIFAs rules. Football is their fiefdom, the clubs are serfs and the players chattels.

Of course, there is no solution which gives an equitable solution. If the power to decide returns to the clubs, the unscrupulous will pull a ‘Giggs’ which is why we’re in this situation in the first place. For the uninitiated, Ryan Giggs won 64 Welsh caps but mysteriously missed a huge number of friendlies over four or five years with ‘injuries’ that cleared up for the following Saturday’s games.

Rummenigge spoke of the interruption that this particular round of fixtures causes. It doesn’t help matters with UEFA making friendlies ‘competitive’ with their Cup of Many Nations Cup but something has to be done. The solution is one which neither international body will like: reduce the number of matches which are played. Given that the European Championships and World Cup show the opposite inclination, it’s not going to happen any time soon.

Clubs can help as well. Reduce top flight to eighteen, do away with the League Cup and restructure the European competitions to straight knockout. It’s not going to happen, not even the turkeys are stupid enough to vote for Christmas although in the current climate, nothing can be ruled out.

The news was greeted with a hop, skip and jump in Paris. Olivier Giroud’s comments about his situation will no doubt upset some:

“I see my future at Arsenal for another two or three years, the date my contract ends.”

With Sanchez injured, he would no doubt be promoted to the central striker role in the starting line-up. He’s confident, with good reason:

“I have not knocked on Arsene’s office. We’ll see, I’m not worried, my time will come. He’s always supported me in the difficult times and I have every confidence he’ll keep doing so.”

The question is whether he is motivated enough to belatedly find goalscoring consistency. For me, it’s too late in his career for it to suddenly develop. The sense of injustice he felt, underlined by his comments about the PSG game. It’s a signal that despite a decent tournament, Euro 2016 papered over the cracks rather than inspiring a return of confidence.

Getting sent off suggests that Giroud with a chip on his shoulder isn’t motivated but is hot-headed, impetuous. The recent experience of sitting on the bench isn’t sitting well with him, as you’d hope:

“I won’t lie, there have been times I’ve been disappointed and not happy with my situation. But the coach knows that. He’s the one who makes the choices.

“I’ll fight for my place. What’s happening today is the story of my career. It’s endless in football.

“I’m not the kind of player to give up and to demand things. Even if I don’t play all the matches, I’m sure the coach will use me. We’ll take stock at the end of the season.”

With the first games back being United away and PSG at home, Arsène probably had in mind that he would have to rotate the squad a little after the international break anyway; this may force his hand, certainly for the United game at least.

We shall see. Giroud’s introduction on Sunday certainly added an attacking impetus but the same happened for a spell with Nicklas Bendtner for a while; the change of style suits chasing a result rather than swapping Giroud for a speedier striker.

And in fairness to Giroud, since returning from injury, he has played well in his cameos and in Sofia. He isn’t a callow youth so we should expect him to do so but it is hard for a player to continually rise off the bench and instigate a change of fortunes. Supersubs are genuinely hard to find; he may have to a super first choice from now on.

Finally today, the latest Times Of Our LIves is on Dad’s Jukebox with an epic 1981 playlist. Enjoy

’til Tomorrow.

87 thoughts on “Alexis Doom, Giroud Joy & Turkeys Want Christmas Vote

  1. Jonnygunner says:

    Good Mornin Mr President……..

  2. Jonnygunner says:

    Didn’t see that coming did we ??

  3. Jonnygunner says:

    Don’t worry Hillary….they’ll have to go thro’ the courts first……

  4. Jonnygunner says:

    Vardy found consistency late in his career YW…he scored shitloads last season and now this season he’s…….oh…

  5. Jonnygunner says:

    ‘The best argument against democracy is a five minute conversation with the average voter ‘………. Winston Churchill

  6. YW says:

    Hilary sitting in her hotel room with her iPod on continuous loop. In the sitting room of their suite, Bill can hear her singing “Every loser wins…” in a tearful voice.

  7. Orson Kaert says:

    Good morning, to lighten the Trump and Alexis gloom a little, that paragon of the truth, The Daily Mirror, is reporting the “fact” that Hector Bellerin has signed a contract extension on a wage in excess of £100,000 a week.

    Now I don’t want to dampen the joy this news can engender, but Hector is currently somewhere in Spain with the Spanish under 21s. It seems unlikely that he has signed anything other than some autographs while in their training camp.

    We’ll just have to wait until we hear it from the horse’s mouth, over to you Monsieur Wenger.

  8. Orson Kaert says:

    Didn’t see that coming did we ?

    Well actually we did, it was only a two horse race and a draw was not an option so one or other of the dummies had to win.

  9. Jonnygunner says:

    Orson Kaert,

    But… still have to listen to the people Orson…you can’t have a democratic vote and then when it doesn’t suit some,want a rematch……..wait a minute….

  10. consolsbob says:

    As for the ‘post millennial woman’ that Jonny is surprised allowed Trump into power, you need to take a good look around.

    My wife, consolslel, an old fashioned feminist who understood and understands, what we changed in the last 50 years, and still puts up with me, despairs of ‘modern woman’. Look at Facebook, full of young women pasting self obsessed images of themselves and their consumerist addictions.

    Feminism has gone into full retreat outside of the generations that lived through that particular struggle.

  11. Orson Kaert says:


    Someone, somewhere said this week that there is an 8% margin for error in opinion polls. It only needs a look at those in our General Election and the EU Referendum to get an idea just how unreliable opinion polls are when it comes to forecasting election outcomes.

  12. andy1886 says:

    Like Brexit I see it all as part of a bigger global protest against a system that dis-empowers so many average Joes (and Janes).

    Maybe things have to get worse before they get better? And people call me a pessimist 😉

    All we need now is a loss to our caber-tossing ‘friends’, a good thrashing in India and we’re just about there.

  13. Emma Odo says:

    I woke up this morning feeling like Arsenal just lost to Chelsea in a UCL final. In Nigeria our worst opponents are Chels**t not the tiny Tots

  14. C says:

    I’m scared!

    I’m in the DC area and the shock is crazy, some peaceful protests and US citizens crashed the Canadian immigration website!

  15. C says:


    Its crazy to think that it was that group of woman that ultimately was the driving factor when for the past year, that same group has been one of the most vocal about Trump not becoming President because of his values and statements.

  16. Dukey says:

    Well this has thrown the cat amongst the pigeons. But old hillbilary Clinton should never have gotten into the childish slanging match. She fucked herself.

  17. C says:

    Back to futbol, Bellerin actually picked up a knock from what I read and is set to miss the first match for preventive measures.

    Well, Giroud you get your chance against, at this point, 4 years in with Giroud, say what you want but it hasn’t been good enough from the CF position and for all those that say Arsene has so much trust in Giroud; think about the fact that Arsene has chased Suarez, HIguain twice, Vardy and probably a couple that we didn’t hear about.

  18. C says:

    what a shitty week this has been:

    Arsenal tie Spuds in disappointing fashion
    My Steelers lose to Ravens in a disappointing performance
    I get knocked out of my men’s league by a phantom penalty call from a ref that showed the only red card in the league this season during the match.
    Then Trump becomes President.

    If there was ever a week to have a cocktail, its surely at 5:58am on Wednesday november 11, 2016

  19. Dukey says:


    How about looking at it from a different angle, trump will have a great relationship with Putin. Maybe you won’t now be called up to fight the Russians.

  20. Jonny says:

    Yes in effect this is a backlash against the status quo by people who are tired of corrupt political
    systems. Tragically they have turned to a vile, incompetent, arrogant and dangerous despot to try to undo the damage of decades of neoliberal, trickle-down economics that has served to broaden inequality like never before.

    Like Brexit I see it all as part of a bigger global protest against a system that dis-empowers so many average Joes (and Janes).

    Maybe things have to get worse before they get better? And people call me a pessimist

    All we need now is a loss to our caber-tossing ‘friends’, a good thrashing in India and we’re just about there.

  21. C says:


    That is a great spin on it, problem is, I might be called up to take on the rest of the world that hates Trump.

  22. Jonny says:

    Great first day in India.

    Hameed looks fucking class for a 19yo.

  23. Jonny says:

    Root, the best English batsman I have ever seen.

  24. Jonny says:

    Nio problem for me with Giroud seeing out his contract – if he wants to do that and is happy to be our back-up that’s good for us.

  25. C says:

    On the other hand, we now have a First Lady that is a mail ordered bride from Russia!

  26. C says:

    O and probably the biggest joke, has been that some of the States, you filled out your ballot with A FUCKING PEN AND PAPER! THE ENTIRE STATE OF OREGON DOES MAIL IN VOTES!!!!!!!!

    How is that fucking possible in 2016? I can do the following things electronically or by simply scanning (my card, my app, etc.):

    Order & Pay for meals
    Buy my morning coffee
    buy anything on amazon
    deposit a check into my bank account
    buy virtually anything in the world


  27. andy1886 says:


    Question is are the elite so stupid that they didn’t see this coming or are they being clever in giving the masses their wish in the form of an idiot that will give the very idea of change a bad name?

    At least England have given us (most of us) an unexpected boost.

  28. Jonny says:

    No Andy. Just no, you are blessing them with far too much imagination.

    Oh Christ don’t tell me you’re a fucking Brexiteer.

  29. YW says:


    From what I read, even the touchscreen version of voting isn’t reliable…

  30. C says:

    I’m surprised that you didn’t mention the quotes from Jack about potentially seeing his career elsewhere. Think about this for all the Jack lovers, he will only have 1 year left on his contract come the start of next season. This year is as big for Jack as it is for quite a few others.

    Makes you wonder if this is part of the hold-up with Santi; they know that they will have to sign Jack and if Santi re-ups for 2 years, Jack might not see himself playing regularly.

  31. Dukey says:


    Highly unlikely, those that hate trump are not the war mongering kind. its the Putins, Kim Jong un’s and basher allan asad’s that are the nutters the world has to worry about. Now you have your own nutter, it actually might be a good thing.

  32. C says:

    The other thing about Bellerin’s deal is for 6 years, he could sign it while away with Spain, it can be done electronically.

  33. andy1886 says:


    Nope, I voted IN. But I’m all for an end to capitalist enslavement of the majority by a tiny power crazed global elite. Who in their right mind believes that it’s right that a handful of people (less than a hundred out of over seven billion) control half of the planet’s wealth?

    The system’s gone mad, demanding equality doesn’t make you a communist (in the twisted reality rather than theoretical sense) . And change doesn’t have to mean Brexit or Trump.

  34. Wavey says:

    Afternoon all,

    What fun! Time to start building that shelter, the end of the world is coming.

    On footballing matters, when is Perez meant to be available? Still a bit worrying that we haven’t really got a dominant striker in the squad. Alexis has been great as the spearhead of a high pressing front three, but we still struggle against a packed defence. The need for a CF who can get goals off his own back is obvious. The price of such players us rising rapidly and I doubt we’ll be willing to stump up the cash that a player of that sort would cost now. We really missed out when we messed about on the Suarez bid.

  35. andy1886 says:


    No Wavey, that was all a ploy to land Ozil, remember?

  36. Orson Kaert says:

    Back to sanity and the real world, after losing three wickets before lunch 311 for 4 is a great position to be in.

  37. Wailesy says:


    Well C, Trumps a bit of a ginger so when in Rome……..

  38. YW says:


    I’ve got to save something for tomorrow, haven’t I?

  39. nicky says:

    Have no fear, America. The combined force of the permanent civil service and the military will rein in an unstable President long before his 4 years are up. 😉

  40. Jonny says:

    What’s a big call Root as the best England batsman ever??

    Andy –

    Ah that sounds fine – I was trying to second guess/understand what you meant by this –

    “At least England have given us (most of us) an unexpected boost”.

  41. C says:


    Works for me. Hell Ill even start the grill so we can at least enjoy that.

  42. C says:


    So very true, damn unnecessary international breaks. I mean, whats the highlight for my English mates…..umm England v Scotland

  43. andy1886 says:


    I was referring to the cricket, after Bangladesh a strong start against the Indians wasn’t something I was expecting!

  44. C says:

    I think the thing that really scares me is the fact that the Republicans really control our government when you think they own the majority both houses of Congress and Trump.

  45. Jonny says:

    AHHHH – that makes more sense.

    Amazing first day. Strange wicket they have prepared.

    It’s like they didn’t watch Bangladesh at all.

    Still think we will lose the series but so great to see preparations for the future being made in Hameed and Duckett.

    A 19yo opening the innings. Never in my years….

  46. Jonny says:

    I think the thing that really scares me is the fact that the Republicans really control our government when you think they own the majority both houses of Congress and Trump.

    Plus he and Pence will nominate a new right wing SCOTUS and, among other things, they will set about dismantling LGBT rights and, given their beliefs, they could even try to make abortion a federal crime.

    All bets are off.

  47. C says:


    Yup, and that is before you get to the military and all of the decisions there. For me though, the biggest change will come in the form of middle America. I’ll be the first to admit that Obama and his administration didn’t do everything right but they did seem to set out to help middle and working America, how will Trump and his administration set out when their whole platform has been about making America great without immigration and people not born in America.

  48. Jonny says:

    They cannot – it won’t work.

    How will they react when The Wall does not materialise? Then exportation of Muslims? Etc.

    Never going to happen. So what will he do when they start to realise he too was a swizz?

    Crikey-fuck it’s awful.

  49. Orson Kaert says:


    The England/Scotland game was always an exciting time for me growing up in the late forties and early fifties. We lived just a few yards from the main route from Wembley to the West End where all the Scottish supporters headed after the game. If Scotland won we kids would be on the side of the road to cheer them as they came past in their tartan bedecked coaches, in their euphoria at beating the Aulde Enemy they would throw money out of the windows to us. Win or lose they always waved back to us as they passed. The England supporters ignored us whatever the result.

    I was sorry when the FA put an end to the annual home internationals, Friday’s game will be a little bit of nostalgia if nothing else.

  50. C says:


    Yup, it sure is.

    To make matters worst, how will all the rural woman feel when shit starts hitting the fan!

    Britian thought Brexit was bad, hell, I’ll take Brexit over Trump.

  51. Orson Kaert says:


    He can easily string it out for a couple of years at least, enough time to increase his fortune by a couple of billion dollars and then stand down to spend more time with his family thus leaving the mess for some other bum to clear up.

  52. Orson Kaert says:


    Don’t be fooled by the establishment and the left biased BBC, the vast majority of Brexiteers knew precisely what they were voting for. Any attempt by the remoaners to scupper our escape from the failing and all encompassing EU will be met with a renewed vigour and will not be allowed to succeed.

  53. Wavey says:

    Looking forward to seeing the wall. Is he proposing to have machine gun outposts positioned every 100 yards or so? It’s like Escape from New York all over again. Looking forward to Snake turning up with a Zimmer frame.

  54. C says:

    Orson Kaert,

    i think most knew what they were voting for but not sure that they knew the backlash from it or how it would come about.

    I should of voted for Bob!

  55. C says:


    Imagine if a wall was ever built, it would craziness down in Texas. I might actually fear for our friend Bill.

  56. Bill says:

    Yogi. Thanks for the post.

    I did not see that coming. I was very confident that the status quo would be maintained and nothing would change. I had not really even thought about the possibility of any alternatives. Hopefully there is enough common sense hiding behind the bluster. It will interesting.

    We should have bought a scorer who was an upgrade over Giroud for the last 3 years. Since we have not done that there was never any doubt that we would need to use him. Fingers crossed that Alexis will not miss much time.

  57. andy1886 says:

    Orson Kaert,

    Well I voted ‘in’ but if the will of the people is to leave then the politicians should obviously go ahead and enact it. The one thing worse than a (in my opinion) bad decision is politicians who having been caught napping then try and fudge it to get the result that they wanted. They wouldn’t be doing it because they believe that it’s in our interests, they’d be doing it because it suits their mates in The City and big corporations.

    I’m all for free movement of people and a global village but not as a pool of hosts to be exploited by corporate parasites.

    Good to see that Alexis’ injury isn’t any more than a minor inconvenience by the way.

  58. consolsbob says:

    Actually, Britain didn’t think Brexit was bad. The majority of us voted for it.

  59. Orson Kaert says:


    If we had belived the outright lies put out by our former Prime Minister, the former Chancellor of the Exchequer, the Govenor of the Bank of England and sundry members of the Great and the Good, and repeated as nauseam by the completely biased BBC, we would never have voted to leave.

    As it is almost none of the doom mongering proved to be true. The pound did fall in value initially but quickly recovered, businesses are proving far more resilient than expected and the economy is doing just fine. There are enough countries around the world with which we can do business with, outside of the EU. As a net importer of goods and services from the EU, any trade embargo will hit the rest of Europe much harder than the UK. We are also a net contributor to the EU, money which will be sorely missed by that profligate and corrupt institution.

    Britain is a small but robust nation, well able to look after itself and fully willing to do so.

  60. Jonny says:

    Actually they didn’t Bob.
    The majority of those who voted by a tiny margin that Farage said he would not have accepted – not even close to the ‘majority of the population’.
    Numerical semantics aside this was a victory voted for by people who did not understand the issues and were subjected to a bizarre barrage of propaganda that the government encouraged and was unrestricted.
    If it were taken again the day after it would have gone the other way.
    This is why are meant to educate and entrust experts – rather than letting racists vent frustration at the wrong enemy and creating fractures and division both here and with our quite lovely European neighbours.

  61. Jonny says:

    Orson Kaert:

    If we had belived the outright lies put out by our former Prime Minister, the former Chancellor of the Exchequer, the Govenor of the Bank of England and sundry members of the Great and the Good, and repeated as nauseam by the completely biased BBC, we would never have voted to leave.

    As it is almost none of the doom mongering proved to be true.The pound did fall in value initially but quickly recovered, businesses are proving far more resilient than expected and the economy is doing just fine.There are enough countries around the world with which we can do business with, outside of the EU.As a net importer of goods and services from the EU, any trade embargo will hit the rest of Europe much harder than the UK.We are also a net contributor to the EU, money which will be sorely missed by thatprofligate and corrupt institution.

    Britain is a small but robust nation, well able to look after itself and fully willing to do so.


    We have not yet left and the economic ramifications are mounting.

    You disagree with all the experts and agree with KT Hopkins.

    Fine: let me the fuck outta here.

    Watch the Tories redefine your human rights and have autonomy free from regulation that provided clean waters among myriad other rights.

    Nah there is no way they will choose business rights and profit over human life.

    That would be so unlike them.

  62. Harry says:

    As opposed to the outright lies spewed out for months by our glorious free press, and by the likes of Gove, Johnson, Farage & co. The whole “campaign” was awful and divisive, and cast a poor light on our democracy (a woman trying to do a difficult job to the best of her abilities was even murdered in broad daylight, lest we ever forget).

    BBC bias left-wing bias is a cosy old (Tory backbench) myth. Most news increasingly resembles an old Chris Morris sketch anyway.

    Sorry, YW 🙂

  63. consolsbob says:

    Well, that is offensive, Jonny.

    The argument that people, including me, did not “understand the issues”, is patronising. It is also rather indicative of a state of mind amongst otherwise intelligent people who can’t accept that others mayhold a different opinion to them rooted in logic not ignorance.


  64. Tennessee Arsenal says:

    “Meet the new boss, same as the old boss”

    Oh, wait!

    Oh, s**t!

  65. Jonnygunner says:

    Just got in from work-and have read all posts from this morning up until Bos’s last comment.
    Jonny-I have often read (and sometimes disagreed with the things you put forward)-but have never really felt a dust up was in order……..
    However,I’m in total agreement with Bob on this matter.To slight people’s education,or intelligence-the two rarely correlate-in what they believe in is bad form mate.I knew exactly what I was voting for when I voted out.
    You couldn’t level racism,right wing beliefs or any of the propaganda at me,that the press were chucking around.
    I’m hazarding a guess here-do you live in the liberal bubble that is London?Do you therefore think that anyone outside that Metropolis doesn’t understand the same things as you?Aren’t as clued up as you?As well travelled or refined?
    Today you have been extremely patronising towards people with different beliefs to you.
    We’re not all thick twats with Union Jack shorts on that want everyone that’s not ‘from ‘ere ‘ out.
    But some have had enough of certain matters-there’s not enough time to go into all of them now……
    Steady on Jonny-having a different opinion to someone else is normal,but to insult them based on their opinion is not acceptable.

  66. nicky says:

    Remarkable how, over the years, Yorkshire have produced a regular supply of England run-makers, viz Herbert Sutcliffe, Len Hutton, Geoff Boycott and Joe Root. 😉

  67. Dukey says:

    I think maybe this blog has had its fill of politics……… lets stick to what we are all experts in…(that’s football).

  68. YW says:

    I’d have to agree with the observation about respect.

    Personally, I agree with Jonny’s view that it was the wrong choice. However,

    (a) No-one fuilly understands the implications of Brexit. It hasn’t happened yet and the impact(s) of it aren’t known.
    (b) I personally find it distasteful and unnerving that legal challenges are being brought by the ‘losers’ – and would have been had the ‘other’ side lost as well; no-one is sin free. It’s a vote, some win, some lose; there are serious implications of every vote. Some we like, some we don’t. What next? Challenge a General Election result? It’s not unbelievable. There was a vote and it’s the arrogance of the ruling classes that they cannot comprehend that the plebiscite went against them.
    (c) However, I’m greatly concerned by the global pursuit of nationalism. Nothing good ever comes of tribalism at any level; nationalism has never improved anything.
    (d) Nationalism isn’t patriotism. Patriotism is not nationalism. They are not the same thing.
    (e) Someone who voted to leave isn’t necessarily right wing, nor should they be condemned as such. A lot of people with left wing views were sick to death of the EU and the corruption involved.

    As well as a sense that 1984 began this way.

  69. YW says:


    I thought we were all experts in chatting shit?

  70. Jonnygunner says:

    FairPlay YW
    Just felt I needed to say my bit.
    G’night to you all.
    P.s. Dukey………there’s way too much cricket talk on here-more than politics….and that doesn’t please me either.
    As you say…it’s a football blog ?

  71. Jonnygunner says:

    YW…and finally !!
    (c)-nothing good ever comes of tribalism…..what are we all on here for then???… I fucking hate Spurs…and Man U….and Chelsea…and…well-you get my point?

  72. Wailesy says:

    Yeah Jonny,
    If root finishes up on a test average of 50> you may have a point. Its hard to judge a batsmans true talent in the sub continent.

    Nicky I was just thinking it is remarkable how, over the years, South Africa has produced a regular supply of England run makers. ???
    For context, No I am not a South African. ?

  73. Wailesy says:


    Well said Jonnygunner.

    Yogi’s point (e) is for me bang on the mark.

    Ok back to football.
    Will AW go in for a striker in January?

  74. Jonny says:

    Sorry lads – it was a long night and half a day without sleep and I feel surrounded by hate.
    As usual, I think YW summed it all up well.
    Nonetheless I don’t think it should have been a referendum – or the terms should have been clear.

    Bob you misunderstand me.

    I did my best to study the arse out of the European ramifications.
    I even downloaded white papers. Spent weeks trying to see the argument of the brexiteers.

    I realised I was not remotely equipped to understand it. It’s WAY beyond me.

    So how does everyone else know what they were genuinely voting for?

    I certainly think I should not have had a vote without parameters of independent science data – rather than the wild lies we witnessed. It was conducted like a circus.

    I did not like the EU structure either but I worried the outcome of this would hurt the vulnerable and ‘the other’ most of all. Hate crime up 170%.

    That’s why I am upset.

    My dad would be horrified at this country, the joke of the NHS, the rise of hatred towards people who need it most.

    It’s the worst I have ever seen it. And I have been out there with them the other day.

    If this is England we need to find a better inclusionism, care and respect for everyone.

    And yet that’s the complete opposite of what is happening..

  75. Damon says:


    Aside from messing with their missus, talking politics truly is the greatest way to lose a friend

  76. Jonnygunner says:

    Depends on the friend Damon ?

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