Jack Offers A Santi Pause For Thought Ahead Of Champions League

This is how it feels to be lonely, this is how it feels to be small, this is how it feels when your world means nothing at all

Morning all, it is interesting that the gubbing of Tottenham on Saturday has coincided with more upbeat weather. Despite the nights drawing in, the Autumnal sun has been shining in all its glory for the past two days. Coincidence or proof that a Higher Power hates Tottenham as well.

Arsenal, well, the players and coaching staff have all moved on from the victory, looking forward to the visit of Montepellier. With the group tighter than it ought to be at this stage of the proceedings, Arsenal need a win. That and a similar result for Schalke will put Arsenal through and render the trip to Piraeus irrelevant, beyond the hope of bettering that which the Germans achieve during their trip to France.

Aaron Ramsey captured that focus recently,

The group is pretty tight, so I think you can say we have to win that game. We are at home, so hopefully we can do that and put ourselves in a strong position to qualify. 

[Finishing second] has been quite costly in the last few years. We finished second in the group a couple of seasons ago and played Barcelona. So you know you’re going to have a strong team if you do finish second. But most importantly we need to qualify, and if we do we’re confident that we can compete and challenge against any team in the competition. But we must qualify first and then go from there.

Far be it to state the obvious but finishing first has not been all that good for Arsenal either, if last season was anything to go by. As the groups stand, there is a mixed bag of strength in winners and runners-up. Whilst avoiding the good sides is preferrable to some degree – let them knock each other out – you do have to play them at some point. With the knockout phase being in 2013, the hope is that Arsenal’s form will have improved and be consistently better by then.

That is to get ahead of ourselves though. Winning on Wednesday is vital; anything less means that the outcome in Greece has meaning for both sides and to be honest, our recent visits to that country have not brought out the best performances from any players. I know that they were makeshift teams but with the current mixed fortunes on the road, it might be for the best if the match was meaningless.

One key player on Wednesday will be Santi Cazorla. Jack Wilshere offered the view that supports the Spaniard being Man of the Match in the win at the weekend,

His touch, his vision is a joke. He’s a dream to play with. He never gives the ball away and he’s creative, he’s busy around the pitch [and] he’s a joy to play with. It’s great to have him in the team. A lot of people said they didn’t know about him before, but I’ve heard of him for a few years now. He’s a great player and when you’ve got someone like that in your team, who’s going to bring you in, you just want to get out there.

He is like all creative players; they flit in and out of matches, can be infuriatingly inconsistent but when they click – which is more often than not – it is a joy to behold. Whilst it is too early to draw conclusions about his Arsenal career, Cazorla has made a promising start and certainly offered more than a tantalising glimpse of what might be, provided some obscure DNA doesn’t get in the way.

There has been a history of creative failures at the club, stretching back through to Peter Marinello during my lifetime. Cazorla seems to have more about him, more awareness of what is required. Wilshere went on to distance any comparisons of Santi to Cesc. It’s quite right to do so, they are different players.

But this is also a different team. The callowness of youth is outnumbered by experienced internationals. The players look at each other and see not one ‘go-to guy’ but several, one of which is Wilshere. If all of them – Cazorla, Wilshere, Walcott, Arteta – are missing or off-key, we have problems. When most or all are available, we are not reliant upon one player. The departure of RvP has proven that with the goals fairly spread around the team. Yes, you miss world class players, you always do. Until the previous international break and the inexplicable drop in form which it brought on, the squad were managing that process of change. They need to return to that level quickly. It would be a terrible shame to waste the bouyancy around the club that Saturday’s win has brought.

’til Tomorrow.

389 thoughts on “Jack Offers A Santi Pause For Thought Ahead Of Champions League

  1. Duke, you do get my point, don’t you?

    If the business ‘aspect’ is not done properly, there will be no football club or the club will flounder.

  2. Really Yogi?
    Perhaps I should have said “bit of a cold” That would have told him.

  3. Paul N….I never said the players are not paid well.In fact I believe we have enough resources to compete if we were more efficient with our resources. Am sure monies spent on Theo in the ‘inconsistent’ years could have been used to secure a more consistent player.Diaby,Rosicky,ditto….I could go on and on but am tired.We have just won a NLD but here we are talking about what’s wrong with the club.Says it all really.

    I do believe AW when he says he has a fantastic squad.I don’t believe he settles 4 4th.Why our ambitions are redefined after ‘failures’ justified @ the end of the season is a long debate I am not willing to get into this time of the night.

    Dex sorry about lumping you into a group.We all do it from time to time arguing with everyone as of our agreements and disagreements are homogeneous.

    Let’s hope this vicious cycle is broken and AW leads us to ‘glory’ so everyone is happy again.We can debate all day and nothing will change.The way I see it, we need both ‘WOBS’ n ‘AKB’s.Yin and Yang.Night chaps.

  4. no paul its hard to cover up and forget the impending sale of another star player.

    we are not happy at the ambition of our club paul, if i had the same ambition as arsenal my wife would kick me to the kerb and leave me.

  5. they are just the custodians of the club or whatever the term is..

    the fans are the club..where do yo think the club gets all its money from? no fans, no club
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    Theoretically an EPL team could have NO fans and exist solely upon the SKY television money.

  6. Duke ,If we had the same ambition as Arsenal we might have a more productive life than we have,sitting here ,chatting shit about stuff we know next to nothing about.

  7. paul do you think its good business to lose a quality player who can help win things which in turn can generate more turnover over £10g a week???

  8. Well I’ve just watched an EPL team with no footballers who exist on Sky TV money – Stoke

    You may be on to something here

  9. “Duke ,If we had the same ambition as Arsenal we might have a more productive life than we have,sitting here ,chatting shit about stuff we know next to nothing about.”

    It’s what we’ve always done, george.

  10. “One could also argue that Theo should make double what Bendtner makes because his value to us is greater than double Bendtner’s. or maybe triple Chamakh and Squilly – combined!”

    Well you could if you were a total numskull.Philmar.

  11. Have we Bob?
    I remember talking football.Not this endless bashing of the Manager ,team and board.

  12. Duke, If Walcott leaves it is because he wants to. I am sorry that you are unhappy all the same, I’m good.

    Afrogoon, we could have sold RVP a long time ago and gotten someone more consistent. Don’t leave him out of those you would have been rid of.

  13. Perhaps I should have said “bit of a cold” That would have told him.
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    Lupus would have been a better choice as it is also an autoimmune disorder

  14. well george if the manager the board and ivan didnt keep leaving plenty of rope and sticks around for which we have to beat them with we wouldnt pick them up and beat them with them.

  15. George, what we talked about was how good we were, how we hated doomers, how good Arsene is, how the club was well run, how we hated the money doped clubs, how crap referrees were, how biased the media. Not always much football.

    And you know what they say? Some of it was true!

  16. walcott loves the club paul and wants to stay…its the club that will give him no choice by offering him a piss take contract..in relative terms that is.

  17. Duke, it is good business to sell a player who has made his mind up about leaving and goes as far as putting a statement out. It is good to sell players that want to be paid at a rate that we cannot afford. It is good to sell players that are sulking and allow their spanish team mates to dis the Arsenal without a word, you know a player who is supposed to be the Captain but allows their Barca chums to grab your teammates by the neck without a word.

    Fabulous business, because I would prefer support players that want to play for the team. Maybe that is not you, but ah so me see it mi bredrin.

    It is also good business to bring some class in.

  18. Yogi;

    I think there should be an allocated time slot, or an allotment if you like, for CBob, where the finances are ‘discussed’ and then after that, we can get back to normal;

    George’s boner, Jonny’s drug problem, irish’s crap jokes, Duke’s marital issues, JJ’s amateur dramatics audtions, etc etc etc. Oh and a bit about football, formations, the injury list, the next game. Montpellier even, who knows?

  19. George, surely you must believe Theo’s value to the team is at least twice that of Nicky Bendtner’s….

    … unless of course the strong tall lanky blond types are the ones that give you a ‘bonner’

  20. Bob ,this used to be a wonderful place to come .Even after a bad loss they was always ACLF to raise the spirits.
    Not much joy now .eh? Even after beating Spurs 5.2.
    Well pardon me for felling disappointed.
    Looks like Stew saw the writing on the wall.

  21. Saint Paul’s test of true love hinges upon the player’s wages. The lower the wages committed the higher the love shown by the player.

  22. Dups and Dukey;

    FFS fellas! Didnt you see my well researched posts earlier then? Ivan the Terrapin is on £1.3m and received £600k in bonuses last year.

    I don’t know why I bother. In fact, i am going to reprimand myself for bringing up finances again, outside the allotment.

  23. Duke, relative to what and who? that is what I am not understanding from you. If it is relative to what City can pay, then it is skewed. If it is relative to what most other teams can afford to pay then he is well nice.

    I don’t know, I feel as if this point is lost in the whole deal. What a h and full of clubs can pay is not the correct scale to look at.

    I am done with this.

    Anyway, Dex posted some finance numbers and it is did not show this whole heap of money. Also, player wages are up since last year, so it does seem like the wage scale thing is being dealt with.

  24. why do these players want to leave though paul?? is it because the club never brought in the neccersary players whan needed( like a decent keeper ,an arteta,a per mertersacker a few years earlier)to win things, the club doing things on the cheap all the time which in term left star players disillusioned… no one left when we were wiining things were they!

  25. Just watched highlights of Ligue 1. Montpellier looked pretty average agin, yet drew away from home with 10 men. BUT, the most interesting game was the doped up PSG vs Rennes. Rennes went down to 9 men after an hour with the scores at 1-1 and ended up winning the game 2-1.

    I know it was just a one off (then again Montpellier beat PSG to the title last season) but its nice to know that sometimes it does just boil down to 11 vs, erm 9!

  26. JJ;

    Dein made enough money after selling his ‘beloved’ Arsenal shares as fast as he fecking could man. You have chatted some over romanticised smaltzy codswallop of late, but suggesting we dredge up the old Teflon Don is pushing it mate! 🙂

  27. tis true.
    dein sold up..

    but seeing as though the plan was to sell up anyway, dein just got it over and done with as soon as he fell out with fiszmann..

    dont be sad george..youve got plenty of other pals on here..

  28. So they left becuase the players came too late? excuses.

    RVP and Song wanted out after the purchase of 3 excellent players.

    So what if you are not winning things right now, Barca were not winning anything for a while until what they were doing flourished. RM just started to win again. Are you telling me that these players could not look around and see the talent. You stay the course and build, you man up and don’t punk out. The 07-08 was the best and players up and left. And these brats are the ones you want me to concerned about? Nope!

  29. This Theo talk is BORING! We do not know how much he is currently, how much the club have offered him and how much he wants, how much he really really wants.

    For the record, I am on record and it was recorded for posterior, that i said months, eons ago that Theo was worthy of £100k a week, going by his value to this squad and i didnt feel it would give SaTAN heartburn, cut into Hill-Woods cigar and port fund, or Ivan’s bonus too much either.

  30. Philmar .I am not convinced Theo is even a better player than Nick.
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    really? Theo is capable of putting in a good performance more often than nik. And he has shown he has some finishing skills. Nik wasn’t even wanted back at Sunderland who are aching for a striker right now.

  31. How much is that? I don’t think Liverpool are paying way more than Arsenal, if they are at all. And Duke, who the backside do you think Liverpool are trying to follow? they know that they cannot sustain paying over the top salaries and buying these big money players. Didn’t you read the open letter?

  32. OMG! What a scary combo that is; Tony Blair and Arry Redknapp.

    Talk about the Blair Twich project!

    Hahahahaha!

    😀

  33. Our problems will be solved when we have talented and realistic players playing for us. Those who want to stay and win a competition the proper way. Is it possible???? ABSOLUTELY…
    we did not want or need to sell any of the players that have moved on. It was their choice and the majority are disappointed with their decision. They took the easy way out due to some bad console. Hope Theo doesn’t fall for temptation as others did before him.
    UP THE GUNNERSSS!!!!!!!

  34. @Dex – ‘recorded for posterior’? Not sure I wanna look at that! 🙂
    But yeah, Theo talk is boring and pointless – it’s all been said in a hundred similar ways; money/central position/need him/losing exp….blah blah.

  35. Anyway, Duke. As I said, while you and I are often on different sides on an issue it is with respect.

    Lets hope Theo signs the blow wow ting!

  36. yeah lets stop all this chit chat about arsenal stuff..
    its upsetting george..

    lets create a much more happier vibe for mr grumpy pants eh?

  37. Duke ,why dont you give him a bit of your wedge,the poor little lamb is on the bread line £75k pw .How will he make ends meet?

  38. infact george i was thinking the same very thing, you see my old grandfather left me a huge wedge and i was thinking of giving wenger the £10k a week needed to re-sign theo seings as arsenal fc can’t afford it.!!

  39. there’s one called ‘TJ and the cup run’… you don’t need to be the proof reader to know how that one ends …

  40. Before you do that Duke,you and I should have a night out .I have some other ideas you might be more interested in.You being a financial whiz,you will see the merit in my proposals ,no doubt.

  41. i know your from oop north george but surely you know how money works…it loses its value doesnt it after a certain level, its about the figures not what you can get from it.

  42. Afrogoon and Dukes
    All the players in the EPL are super rich, even the ‘poorest’. They can pretty much all work for a single year and not need to work again.
    They are a bottomless money pit and so much money is wasted on salaries now that top players can no longer be considered by a business to be an asset: after agreeing some wages there is nothing left for clubs to pay each other with. Non performing players quickly become liabilities and few are really ‘worth’ it.

    The problem of the top clubs being able to poach the best players with the offer of greater salaries has always existed, but this may be the first time in history that a club has had to be insolvent in order to compete.

    When this became a real problem in america, they made the only commercial decision they could and brought in a salary cap.

  43. Morning fellas….There is a saying that when you think the whole world mad, you should also question your sanity.

    The Arse in The Gamb.Off course I know Prem players earn far more than average Joe in a week what AJ makes in a year.Point is they work in an industry where greed pays.They don’t work in a vacuum.I am not saying go over board with salaries.Personally have never even believed Theo was worth his rumored 60k he is on right now.His performances have however improved and he has become another important player whom we are about to lose.This trend can’t be good for the club both on and off the pitch.We need to draw the line somewhere.Next up might be Sag a.Then Jack,then Gibbs,then Jenks,then Eisfield,the Serge….. where does it stop?What’s the point of investing so much time in youth if you are not going to benefit from it?

    Maybe the world isn’t mad but just maybe we are.We can’t keep rebuilding forever.The majority of fans won’t stand paying top £££ to watch the same shit different season whiles paying top £££ and when the CEO and gaffer are some of the highest paid in the world.The business will collapse.We can’t redefine what it means to support a club.We have pushed it to the limits already.You shouldn’t need an accounting degree to enjoy a sport.

  44. Very disappointed to note my observation a few days back was ignored. So, I’ll repeat it once more.

    If you can be polite and respectful on other sites, you can do so here. You can.

    Or perhaps that should be, you will.

  45. Paul – “Ateeb, I am not confused about Who God is, the only True and Living God, Yahweh, that was manifested in the flesh as Christ Jesus. I am more sure of that than I am speaking to you.

    Heh, you are a card 🙂

  46. It wasn’t aimed just at George, it was a general observation since I’ve come across some others on here who behave with more manners elsewhere.

  47. dups – Ah, it is just a little jokey dig mate. Me and Paul have a bit of that going on over the subject. Nothing malicious.

  48. Santi had freedom to get forward on Saturday. Probably a consequence of the sending off but I’d also like to think it was because Jack was giving him better cover when he did get forward. That’s what we need. Santi needs to know he can commit to the attack.

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