Money And The Woes It Causes

Inevitably attention is being focussed on transfer budgets for the forthcoming window. That makes it sound like the panacea to all Arsenal ills is about to arrive. In truth all it heralds is the announcement of the financial results which will include the profits on the sales of Fabregas and Nasri. It is going to be the cue for a lot of navel gazing and tubthumping over the who’s, what’s and why’s of previous activity in transfer windows.

I am not going to defend the transfer policy, both the manager and the club got it horribly wrong last Summer. The form this season has suffered through not having replacements sourced before the sale of Fabregas and Nasri. It seemed there was an incoherence in the signings made; Benayoun and Park to compete with Arshavin and Gervinho? That is too crowded from that position, even allowing for the latter’s departure to the ACN this Winter.

The Mirror believe that the budget will be £50m, based on the profits of last Summer. It seems a believable figure. Certainly more accurate the £57m quoted by Steve Stammers in the yesterday’s Sunday Mirror.

In Arsenal’s history, this is a big pot. Relatively speaking it is not and there is a strong possibility that it is actually going to be smaller. The club has made it clear previously that contract extensions come from the transfer budget; this is where Arsene has invested heavily over the years. Some argue that it has been badly managed. Those criticisms come with the benefit of hindsight. Few complained when Fabregas was given his new contract a couple of years ago, most relieved that he had committed to the club.

This time, Robin van Persie and Theo Walcott look likely to benefit which will diminish the funds available to the manager. If between them, they were offered a combined increase of £75k per week over three years that removes £12m from the budget which is where the £50m does not allow the signing of some players demanded. Mario Goetze for example, is regularly appended to a fee of £30m. That seems to be out of Arsenal’s reach especially if they have to pay a signing on fee and agent for their involvement. That would boost the cost of that signing to around £37m at an estimate.

That juggling act is the source of contention and highlights why Arsenal need sales to bolster the transfer fund. Those who argue that we are a selling club, that this is a betrayal of the spin put on the move to the new stadium have fundamentally misunderstood how self-sufficiency works. You have to sell to grow; invest to reap the benefits, all the while balancing the books to comply with banking convenants and the like.

If the manager chooses not to invest, it is not that he does not want to, simply that he cannot. For example, there was no activity this Winter as there was not space in the squad without sales. Underlining how difficult the current situation is for the club is that Almunia had to be dropped from the 25 man squad to accommodate Henry for six weeks. That is of their own making.

Had there been a player or two moving on, the manager might still not have invested. Finding players who are available depends on the selling club wanting to deal and the player wanting to move. The former and latter are not mutually inclusive, particularly if an ego believes a better financial offer may come in the Summer. I read comments that note we should make the clubs an offer they cannot refuse. In other words, pay whatever it costs to get whomever. These will be the same people who are quick to criticise overspending on one player despite their initial clamour.

The point of the above is a reality bite to those who demand Hazard or Goetze or whomever is the latest fashion accessory in fantasy football world. One of them can be signed but that means selling more members of the squad and not replacing them in the same quantity. This season has shown us one thing; injuries mean we need quantity and quality in replacements.

It is crucial that we understand the business model of the club; it underpins the activity to support on the pitch performance. Arguably, the low level of commercial revenues now is manifesting in the current season. There are external factors to this but that cannot be ignored. However, those deals got the new stadium built at a time when financial deals with banks were in danger of collapsing. We cannot apply hindsight and how other clubs have generated new wealth in the meantime. The deals were needed at the time.

This might be something that KSE drive more robustly. Arsenal seem to have been slow to exploit the secondary sponsor markets. Emirates have stifled the chance to exploit other kits and equipment, denying Arsenal the chance to capitalise in the same way that United did with DHL. But this is just one example; United have three times as many secondary partners as Arsenal. They have a more established brand globally but Arsenal’s is not so bad as to justify that gap, surely?

That is not a cue for Usmanov’s supporters to tell us how great he will be. He has made offers, they are not denied but a rights issue had an ulterior motive on his part; it was not done primarily to help the club. PR speak about how much money he would spend to clear debt or give a transfer budget is vacuous; it is easy to make promises when you don’t have to deliver. It is why all politicians are hopeful of winning power.

Ultimately, Red and White want the same from Arsenal that KSE do. Profit. That offers a Return on Investment and I sometimes think we are too hung up on this. What is so wrong with the owners taking a dividend? Until you look at the now and realise that it impinges on the transfer pot.

This coming window is going to have to be busy. Arsenal cannot afford for it not to be. That point is some way off in the future and our focus must be on the pitch until May.

Over at Arsenal On This Day, a time when we fought Manchester United not each other.

’til Tomorrow.

495 thoughts on “Money And The Woes It Causes

  1. Brady

    Our CEO stated 1-2 years go that we could cope without being in the cl for a short period and that we had plans for such eventualities in fact we not even budget to be in the cl. If in reality what he actually meant was we must sell our 3 most expensive assets nasri,cesc and rvp to survive then it doesn’t look so fricking smart then does it.

    Being able o cope without l is one thing but the Idea is to get back in and planning for that eventuality means cash

  2. some tunes for the chill out

    george …lol there is new game out for jabba…this time instead of football manager you become chairman/president and decide for e-v-e-r-y-t-h-i-n-g……. 🙂

    i give him half a season before going bust….and im generous…

  3. jabba you shoudl write all these pearls your giving us here down in a book… 🙂

    i will be the first to buy it…..

    of course a toilet roll is far more cheaper than a whole book but ill treat myself….. 🙂

  4. Jibber

    Arsenes spent 4 milion net in 15 years putting that with your doomsday scenario means he is an absolute effing genius, and the only manager who could have kept us competitive I already know this you seem to be experiencing some sort of doomere logic funk.

    Sit down take a breath and repeat after me, Its all Arsenes fault the trophies, the emirates the 15 years of champions league football, “spend some fawking moneyyyyyyyyyyy you french cnut”. All better now Jibber lol.

  5. George

    Identify a weakness in your team or squad from a personnel perspective and try to sort it out. This is exactly how it works don’t try and overcomplicate it.

    No it’s not as easy to just get the player but we pay people millions to do this.

    Pudolski is out of contract, go read his quotes. This player Is available to us.

    Reus just went o Dortmund a club with considerably less finncil clout than us.

    The most expensive attacking midfiel Market this summer will be for goetze and hazard there are a finite number of clubs in the world who are in the running for these type of players due to cost and need. Any body who has ever worked in any type of Market Evaluation for goods understands this. Stop making out football is so different to anything anyone does.

    Why is it completely un plausible looking at those developments. This is make or break we must be completely different and daring this summer. We need to keep rvp

  6. I really hope that Rosicky will take the one-year-deal that, if rumours are to be believed, is being offered him. He is obviously the wrong side of 30 but his form this season has been excellent and if he can keep it up, he will be a very useful squad member.

  7. Brady

    You must separate past from future. Working on a shoestring he was brilliant since he has had disposable income he has been less so. He shouldnt be given credit for not spending money that’s available to him when we flatter to deceive.

  8. Oh right Jabba
    I get it now.
    All we need is a manager who understand as much as you.
    I don’t know how I missed it.It is so simple when you put it like that.
    I’m in
    WENGER OUT

    JABBA IN

    Simples

  9. Evil

    But has it been excellent or has he just played 3-4 good games. How many games has he won for us how many has he made the rest of a midfield function better. This is precisely our problem why are we impressed with that. Good servant but he is exactly the type of squad player we need to jetison

  10. George

    It’s a debate and where in what I said am I speaking tosh. It’s a decent argument mate. Do you have any thoughts on how we might create cash and wages for better players, or should keep the same squad

  11. Jabba’s delights | February 20, 2012 at 10:47 pm

    Brady

    Our CEO stated 1-2 years go that we could cope without being in the cl for a short period and that we had plans for such eventualities in fact we not even budget to be in the cl. If in reality what he actually meant was we must sell our 3 most expensive assets nasri,cesc and rvp to survive then it doesn’t look so fricking smart then does it.

    Being able o cope without l is one thing but the Idea is to get back in and planning for that eventuality means cash

    [b]Ok weve got no money? Someone at the club fucked up some French twat no doubt[/b]

    Jabba’s delights | February 20, 2012 at 11:01 pm

    Brady

    You must separate past from future. Working on a shoestring he was brilliant since he has had disposable income he has been less so. He shouldnt be given credit for not spending money that’s available to him when we flatter to deceive.

    [b]OK we do have money now then, is that right? Someone at the club fucked up some French twat no doubt.[/b]

    Doomers keep on dooming on.

  12. Who called the manager a twat and I’ve always showed my displeasure with the board in recent times

    The fact doesn’t change that they are valid questions to ask.

  13. Jabba Do you think the board gives a fuck what you think?
    If you and you ilk fucked off the club would be in a better position.
    Far to many Londoners at the stadium on match day, if you ask me.

  14. @Jabba
    He was instrumental during the CL group stages and when he plays we just get the ball quicker to our wingers. You can argue all you want, but in recent times he has shown a certain quality that we have been missing in the advanced midfield position. He has shown that he can play aspects of that position better than Ramsey. You should understand that football is a team game. Not every player has to be a match winner, players have to do their job so that the team functions better. Rosicky’s job — when we are attacking — is to initiate attacks and distribute the ball to the wide men, which is a job he has been doing very well when he was given the chance over the past several weeks. He himself has some things he could work on … especially his ability to turn goal scoring opportunities into throw-ins, but that shouldn’t take away from the obvious quality he brings to the side. If we had Wilshere back, things might be different, but at present, between him and Ramsey, I think that Rosicky is offering us more from a play making perspective though Ramsey is infinitely more likely to find the goal.

  15. Jibber Im glad i’ve seen someone try to argue two conflicting points and arrive ultimately at the same conclusion, its been illuminating. I don’t however agree I think that even the Arsenal would have difficulty in mismanaging the club to the extent being potless while at the same time giving tthe manager a huge transfer fund he’s too miserable to spend. Maybe this is a doomer wet dream where two different realities have merged and in each Arsenal are fucked. Someone at the fucked up, some French twat no doubt lmao.

  16. So what was the lowdown on this ast mothers meeting tonight then….did they ask for the board to go into the red for some silverware?? as thats what most of us fans wan’t isnt it!!

  17. Dups

    They represent The gateway and voice to us fans actually trying to become shareholders in the club. Barca bayern Dortmund supporters groups have genuine representation in the running of THEIR club because that is what arsenal is our club. It’s a great idea with lots of improvemnts to be made but learning. We shouldn’t scoff at people who actively try and get us fans no matter where we are on the spectrum to have a voice in our club. There is no criteria of fan they do not all want wenger or kroenke gone. They want to see improvement across the board in the club and so most people

  18. Sure he did, Jabbas Delights. Him and his cohorts are swine. They’ve done nothing but question, critique, and insult. Simple fact is, he’s a petty ignoramus who creates people like Hunter13 and makes the fine people of Great Britain look bad.

    i congratulate your honesty and openmindness.Bravo! Rise good people of England and proper Arsenal fans. Dont let the stupidity, jealousy and bigotry of Morgans, Hansens, Savages, Allerdyces, Pardews and the rest sack our manager ….Do the right thing…Where words dont apply the stick does…Do it like FRIMPONG! Civilisation ..i.e wenger…must prevail over the doom merchants.

  19. Evil

    No it’s not the Ramsey role in our midfield is to be the chief creator. Arteta is the position who keeps things ticking over and wilshere played there last year. The advanced midfielder of the 3 is the 4th attacker he must create and score. Neither rosicky or Ramsey have been adept at this this season

  20. dukegoonem | February 20, 2012 at 11:12 pm

    The AST have played a very positive role in the club imo until recently, the fanshare scheme, the debate surrounding a rights issues and concerns over ticketing etc. Tim Payton however has politicised it imo and weakened it considerably. Payton is a self publicist with a clear anti wenger agenda, infact he is ruining much of the work that AST was and could be doing. Ultimately I thought the AST could’ve been a way to get a fan representative on the board but that is never going to happen with Payton in charge.

  21. I know lets all laugh at fat Sam, he said this today about Twitter and I quote,

    “people can say what they want, when they want, and I think that is a very dangerous tool to be bandied around the world”.

    lmao

  22. Dups

    No your right and they shouldn’t. But you must remember that on some very high profile blogs where the blogger in General is highly respected by many of his visitors are AST members. This where there is a huge distinction between different types of fan. A season ticket holder who nearly all without exception ast are represent allot of the people who put 95 million in the clubs coffers a year. They can’t cater for every fan but they cater for allot of disgruntled people who spend a huge amountbof there disposable income on the club during tough times. You may say fuck them but they are important to this club and many aren’t happy

  23. Jibber the purpose of the AST is not to represent “disgruntled” fans it was set up to:

    Promote the interests of supporters who own shares in Arsenal Football Club
    Facilitate wider supporter involvement in the club
    Facilitate and promote mutual supporter ownership of Arsenal.

    It was an avenue in theory for fan representation at board room level that was the eventual aim. Im no longer a member and it has become increasingly political and has a clear anti wenger agenda. Its raised Tim Paytons profile as a voice for the fans, but he will never represent me and the board simply pay lip service to it now far from engaging in any meaningful relationship, its beinfg fundamentally weakened and although louder in its criticism of the club its influence has been greatly reduced. Two uncomfortable nights a year for Gazidis apart.

  24. Lol yogi seriously you dont have to moderate me..

    i say specific things targeting specific mentalities ..i dont boil it all in one pot..

    plus i do it with humour, i do realise the sensitive nature of calling the majority of them english journalists and exmanagers and pundits ( in the sun, the mail, the mirror) useless in football to think they can exercise critique on a manager like wenger..its too bitter a pill to swallow i know…but you have to come down hard on those who insist on disrespecting the manager and painting a picture of disaster and crisis. If they think they can doubt wenger then i can doubt them …and if i start counting the trophies… wenger holds more than all these mugs who castigate him. How much bs can we tolerate from all these morgans and jabbas out there ? How many clueless experts will come out telling the manager who developed weah vieira henry fabregas that he got it wrong with the players he got? for gods sake dont make me apolgise for mocking the stupid. How many more will come out saying that the man responsible for 26-12-00 in the year 2004 is tactically naive without receiving a slap in his face ?

    its so silly its unbelievable and im surprised..after all football was born in england and here is a manager combining flair football with financial sense and unparallel sporting ethos and he gets treated as if he has committed serious crimes …lol fuck them all!!! ..i dont know maybe its the political correctness of the internet…i dotn care about such things you see..i will type it like i would say it in face to face convo…perhaps this can be seen as rude..sorry again..but only as regards to your sites rules..not about anything ive said..ill concentrate on music now … 🙂

  25. Dups

    But if peopledont renew red members must pick up the slack or it straths of accycle which could be very bad. Are red members going to jump at he chance to spend a ton of cash on a team that’s getting worse…..I’m not so sure.

    Pedro and gunnerblog I believe. Arseblog has spoken highly as well. Witchier also. George go read most arsenal blogs comments sections and see if hemajority of fans share your views.

  26. Brady

    They represent their own views. Many season ticket holders share them. Many season ticket holders are them

  27. In principle the AST was a great thing, but in the past few years they’ve aborted their original purpose and turned into something else. Especially Tim Payton is a massive problem in my eyes, as he seems to think the AST is more or less a plattform so he can raise his own profile.

  28. They represent their own views. Many season ticket holders share them. Many season ticket holders are them

    very sad indeed…i am trully embarassed to be represented by such ignorant people….

  29. Evil | February 21, 2012 at 12:07 am

    well … maybe dein has promised him a position under new regime…. 😉

  30. jabba your right most fans are pissed,thats because all fans want is to win. but we do have to look at the long term future of our club, i mean rangers going into administration is a shock, chasing the winning dream.. i bet pompey fans would give up that fa cup to still be floating about in the prem.

  31. Jabba the very anti Arsenal Polls did a poll and even they could only get 16% of fans to say they wanted Arsene out.And the questions were loaded against Arsene
    So it seems I am in the majority.
    Fuck Pedro the mindless twat.

  32. Hunter

    What about managers and players who have won more than him, what of here views? If you asked the managers of the top 10 clubs in football what they thought was wrong with the make up of arsenals squad over the last 3 years and why we struggled against better and stronger teams, how similar would most of there answers be?

    What happened to Brian clough, fabio capello, rikaard, Benitez, vogts, Graham etc why did there ability to win deminish. I thought brilliance lasted forever. Who would have thought that stying ahead of hevcompetition would be harder than first getting to the summit………errrrrrrrrr

  33. Many season ticket holders don’t, indeed wider than that they don’t represent the wider support base. It is my sincere hope that alot of members and fans fuck off next year as they will be replaced by people who love the club, not those with an incredible sense of entitlement reflected by Tim Payton. The best games to go to the emirates are actually carling cup matches, ordinary real fans.

  34. We don’t fill up at carling cup. Therevis also one thing a kid spending 25 on a carling cup game it’s a completely different when asked to hand over 1200

  35. lmao Pedro only just noticed that thanks PG. Pete wood wil never represent me, never.

    Jibber listen to yourself m8 you’ve spend the whole night getting the answers to the questions your still asking lol. You ignored them granted but read them might help you step off the wheel.

  36. hey jabba, hows it going mate ?

    i got my old subbuteo out (im a bit old school not much of the fm generation you see) and i need some help with tactics and how to motivate my players

    can you send me a pdf with your analysis?

    i can fax you the ergometric tests and fitness results of players so that you throw the data in the CYBEX you got home and brings out the recommended strategy for the season like the machine batman had in his batcave in the old series…cool isnt it?….

    du ru rut du ru rud *flashred* ……ding!…and out comes the bit of paper with the 442s or 443s depending on what parameters we want to set.

    pep is amateur in front of us. 😉

  37. Jabba’s delights | February 21, 2012 at 12:19 am

    We don’t fill up at carling cup. Therevis also one thing a kid spending 25 on a carling cup game it’s a completely different when asked to hand over 1200

    We have the highest recorded attendance ever at at CC game, but i digress. Some of those kids will get a chance to get a season ticket this year if some of the disgruntled fans fucked off. It would make for a better atmosphere a better stadium experience and better performances from the players imo. Oh I don’t do a hierarchy of fans Jibber as it would put me at the top lol.

  38. Arsene has done some remarkable things in the past, but the last 4 years have been a slowly escalating disaster with the club lurching from one crisis to another. The strangeness that is our team defense has been ongoing for 5 years. The culture surrounding the club for both the players and the fans has been slowly deteriorating. The last 2 years have seen a rapid decline. Last season we turned a team with the best on paper squad in the league into a fading 4th place team. This summer was remarkably mismanaged, and this season has the potential to be the worst in 16 years. The end of the season collapses almost seem to be an inevitability. Arsene has been a great manager for the club, but history shows that even for the best managers when things start to go downhill they usually don’t turn around. Arsene is a brilliant man but history also shows how difficult it is for anyone to micromanage an organization like Arsenal over a long term. Hopefully he will have learned a lesson from last summer. I think we need to diversify our coaching staff and delegate some of the control and bring some new ideas into the organization because things are currently going the wrong way. Reversing that without some significant change in the status quo is unlikely IMO.

  39. No George i won’t, I’ve been to the last 22 top division home london derbies, where I’m from losing to the yids probably isnt quite as galling for you as it is me. I hope we destroy them and go on and secure 4th. It will be very interesting what the reaction is if we don’t turn up though

  40. What happened to Brian clough, fabio capello, rikaard, Benitez, vogts, Graham etc why did there ability to win deminish. I thought brilliance lasted forever. Who would have thought that stying ahead of hevcompetition would be harder than first getting to the summit………errrrrrrrrr

    clough …you dare put that name in your mouth ? anyway fabio is fine..sending his regards from silvios villa parties while he is preparing to laugh his arse off this summer when the euros start….raijkard? i dont know why you mentioned him, its probably because youve never heard of henk ten kate, benitez found ruins in inter milan and faced war from moratti and wasnt allowed to bring in his own people, vogts is a national manager…lol…and wenger has won more than graham and i dont see his players collapsing on the pitch from previous night partying.

    “i thought brilliance lasted forever”

    come on, tell us ..honeslty now…arent you embarassed to use such cheeky corny lines? not even a little bit ? ….. 🙂

  41. ” i thought fairytales of ending seasons unbeaten and having 4 -5 players who are the best in their positions possibly in the world with doubles and cups and european finals and shit lasted forever! you lied to us lord vengah!!! die!” …said harry potter….. pothead morelike

  42. Hunter

    Benitez……Liverpool, he was loved but what happened. You do realise that many opposition fans see our manager in terms of slipping in the same light as bentiz when he was losing the plot.

    Rikaard won barca first cl since 1994 he broke six years real, Valencia or deportivo dominance. What happened, he lost his ability to get the bestout of his players.

    It’s about getting a group of players together and getting the best out of them and it’s hard to keep doing it mate. There is nothing to show our manager is good at that with this team anymore. THIS TEAM

  43. George:

    I am still your friend. We just happen to disagree about a few things.

    Do you really disagree that things are going the wrong way for the club? The culture around the club has gone downwards for both the players and the fan base. My experience is mainly with American sports but even for great managers once the team begins to underperform its very hard to reverse the trend without a change in the system. Just like winning begets winning, struggling especially in the high pressure is also habit forming. The players need something to change to make them believe that things will be different next time. Hopefully I am wrong and Arsene can get things back on track because I think he will be our manager for as long as he wants. Hopefully your faith will be justified but even for someone as talented as Arsene it will be very difficult to reverse things at this point

  44. @JD
    I find it very good that you brought up the example of Benitez. People got the change they craved for, the fans even got the manager they so desperately wanted. But now, after a year of King Kenny and close to two years without Rafa, would you say that the change was a good one for Liverpool? Going from a team on the brink of winning the league (second to last season under Benitez) to a side not even playing in Europe anymore. Even if everything goes according to plan for them, the best case scenario is probably finishing 5th, with a finish outside the European places just as likely.

  45. Well Hunter, you need to understand one thing. Humour doesn’t always travel well. You’ve been told how to behave; I’ve got an IT problem which means that anyone who goes into moderation – outside of the usual first post rule – is going to stay there for at least a week until it is sorted. When frankly comments will be deleted as they will be irrelevant.

  46. didnt have the time to really comment last night..

    at least we know that the 50mil for reinvestment is not a myth or a figure plucked from thin air..

    as for the 4th place being a trophy then for financial reasons the manager is correct in a way..

    but what he needs to understand is 4th place is not a trophy..its a minimum requirement..constantly bleating on about it as some sort of massive achievement is starting to grate and is typical of the culture that has been created at this club..

    4th place is not silverware and is not a massive success in football terms..whenever you finish 4th there is room for improvement..rejecting those improvements because the minimum requirement has been achieved previously is lack of ambition..

  47. it will also be interesting to hear ppls veiws on whether they still think the club has been run fantastically and everything is done in the best interests of the football club..

    the thread today will be an interesting read…

  48. Alzation | February 20, 2012 at 11:07 am

    Nice post and I agree.

    I disagree with your last paragraph though, slightly. As most of the fans that call for wenger’s head are reactionaries venting their spleens after every loss.

    A few wins in a row and they shut up for a while. So, whilst changing the manager in a crises would have the perception of change, winning keeps them docile.

  49. JD’s stats for the season.

    Played 23 out of 39 matches.

    He has played or partially played in only 58% of matches.

    We have drawn 3 matches that he has played in, and AFC has drawn 4 in total

    He plays 75% of the times we draw.

    He has played 10 matches out of the 11 matches we have lost this season.

    He plays 91% of the times we lose.

    Whatever the reason for it might be we need to look at a way of playing him less. Much less.

    Fabregas is missed because his figures were the opposite. ie we won more when he played and less when he didn’t. When big clubs play us they target Djourou as he is seen to be weak. He does not clear well, pass well, head well, shys from tackles, is slow to read the game, he gives away penalties and free kicks like candy and gets sent off. His presence on the pitch is worth (at least) a goal in the opposite direction in many matches.

    I know statistics goes against the grain of guys who think that one should use intuition to judge a player, but look where that has got Chelsea vis a vis Torres.

    It is true for the earlier poster that if he had 2 years left on his contract then the addition to the kitty would be only 5.75m, but I would rather strengthen our strike force with that and play with 10 men than have walking liabilities that cost us matches trawling the fields.

    AFC is a lot of things, but it is not a charity. We can’t have random’s coming on to get match fitness and costing us matches. However cheeky their smiles or whether they came through the youth system.

  50. Oh my life, is this still going on.

    Can anybody sumerise Hunter’s posts for me please? I don’t mean to be rude, but I seriously can’t read his posts. He just seems to speak a lot without really saying anything. He might be making some good points, however I must be missing them.
    Hopefully we will have less 13 years on the site today.

  51. Bob – Ah, sorry mate. I really could not be bothered posting yesterday. The same inane argument involving the same posters seems to have been going on for days now. Its draining.

  52. hey andy i can summarise for you .

    I dont consider the english journalists , pundits ex managers and arsenal haters knowledegable enough or credible enough or experienced enough to be critisising the work of wenger or the financial method(s) that club arsenal has chosen to solidify itself among the best.

    I just come down hard on all them ignorants and narrowminded doomers and of course yogi didnt like it , and he is right.

  53. Benitez……Liverpool, he was loved but what happened. You do realise that many opposition fans see our manager in terms of slipping in the same light as bentiz when he was losing the plot.

    lol..but liverpool are idiots…they had a fine manager , a manager who was there for 4 or 5 years ..knew the players, knew the club, knew what he had to do and had understadnign of the european markets and competitions and the owners screwed him over ..(keanne). Benitez is a fine manager…technocrat like wenger… and rafa knows too mate…not my fault liverpool are idiots and sacked one of europe;s finest to get kenny and then spend 30m on carrol..pmsl… stupid things…keep them far away from arsenal thank you

    hows your pdf on subbuteo going ?

    Rikaard won barca first cl since 1994 he broke six years real, Valencia or deportivo dominance. What happened, he lost his ability to get the bestout of his players.

    Lol you clueless child …it took a massive investment from laporta to achieve what raijard did and i aint surprised you havent heard of henk ten kate…go ask the barca and chelsea fans about him if youre that clueless. Deco, Ronaldinho Marquez, Etoo….lol…… did raijkard purchase those guys or laporta ? 😉

    It’s about getting a group of players together and getting the best out of them and it’s hard to keep doing it mate. There is nothing to show our manager is good at that with this team anymore. THIS TEAM

    Lol again,. but this team aint a team to go and win titles , we all know that, this and the team of tha past 6 – 7 years is a work in progress with view to future, i.e after they reach their peak years. sadly our cretin fans and general anti-arsenal sentiment in england didnt allow the first crop to grow and now we are paying for it. i thank you all for your great support to our club……lol..

    again point for point i destroy you yet youre allowed to come back and talk sh*t non stop ….whats the point ?……lol……and then yogi tells me off….lol….

  54. Arsenal are a very rich club . The revenue from the Emirates £93, is over double the revenue from Highbury ie £46 million plus.(see chairmans report 2006/07accounts) how did we buy world class players back then. The latest accounts show cash in bank £160 million, debts £256mllion, net debt £96 million. The half yearly accounts are said to show a profit of at least £50 million, net debt £46 million, which does not have to be paid back for at least 18 years. When you buy players, they still have a value, if we had paid the extra million to buy Cayhill, he value would have increased . We have brought to many poor players , who we cannot sell and have paid them high wages.
    If we continue down this path we will lose champions and premier league, gate and sponship money,

  55. Hunter, banitez is not a fine manager at all.

    He took a 5 time in a row serie A champion,, defending champions league, treble winning team and dismantled it in a record 6 months.

  56. hunter,
    You’re saying we haven’t had a team that is able to win the titles in the last 6-7 years?.
    I beg to differ. The team last season and the season before, as well as that of 07/08 was of title winning quality, imo.

    In some weird way, you do sometimes sound like a doomer. An AKB doomer, har har.

  57. but what he needs to understand is 4th place is not a trophy..its a minimum requirement..constantly bleating on about it as some sort of massive achievement is starting to grate and is typical of the culture that has been created at this club..

    4th place is not silverware and is not a massive success in football terms..whenever you finish 4th there is room for improvement..rejecting those improvements because the minimum requirement has been achieved previously is lack of ambition..

    lol patience….if the club had no ambition it would still be at highbury…they have a programm..they will stick to it…in the meantime the fan has to get a perspective or else he will suffer. Merlot hit the nail on the coffin yesterday!.

    these things were obvious when we moved stadium and im surprised they didnt start sooner. when the opposition plays a ready and established 27-28 year old drogba and youre fielding a 18 yearold who is learnign the game and how to be a professional…what titles are we talking about? lol …cant people see that the last 5,6,7 years have been for education purposes for our youngsters? it was/is necessary. yet we exercise critique on them as if they are the ready and finished article. they are not.

  58. Hunter – Fair enough. A very sweeping statement, but that is your call. I would agree with yuo on the “Arsenal Haters” comment mind as they have an agenda. But plenty of people who have good standing in the game have also raised concerns who are most definatly not Arsenal haters.

    You can’t simply cast any commets and thoughts aside which don’t tally with your own. Especially when some of the thoughts are coming from people with a better understanding than yourself.

    It is difficult for anybody (whichever side of the fence they sit) to really offer any insight or relevant thought to Arsenal’s financial goings on, as very few (and probably none on internet forums) actually know the full picture.

  59. hunter,
    You’re saying we haven’t had a team that is able to win the titles in the last 6-7 years?.

    no i said that they were critisised without being the finished article yet .
    and even if the 07 team had won it it would have been an anomally. against the odds, and againt logic. it would have been nice though.

    the thing is that they always looked capable of doing it, but we preferredd to castigate them for failing instead of congratulating for getting so close at such an age.

  60. He took a 5 time in a row serie A champion,, defending champions league, treble winning team and dismantled it in a record 6 months.

    i disagree ..there are many articles you can find in gazetta where you will find the war benitez had to face from inter stuff that were still idolising mou and sabotaging rafa;s work. he wasnt allowed to bring his guys in and he wasnt allowed to make transfers ” this team won the treble rafa..and you need new players?” …. 😉

  61. and obviously when a team like inter ( overageind squad of elite names) reaches mount everest …they need to dismantle and start over again.

  62. You can’t simply cast any commets and thoughts aside which don’t tally with your own. Especially when some of the thoughts are coming from people with a better understanding than yourself.

    like who?
    piers morgan ?
    or tim payton?

    would marcello lippi , pep, cruyff, carlo fergie rafa guus ever say anything negative about wenger ?

    when serious people talk about arsenal they have nothing but praise for what wenger has done for us.

    i prefer to listen to them than robbie savage or ian wright or paul merson.

  63. It’s not often that I think a gravatar fits the person but in Hunters case it is so apt. You look mental in that picture and your posts serve to confirm it.

    mental for arsenal.

  64. Please I need someone’s help. I saw an article/blog somewhere on net spend of premier league clubs, I think since 2006 (not really sure) but couldn’t figure out where I saw it. Can someone please give me the link?

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